Bioethics Discussion Blog: Infant Male Circumcision: Chapter 3

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Wednesday, December 09, 2009

Infant Male Circumcision: Chapter 3


If patient modesty is not enough of a "hot button issue" on this blog, certainly in the past history of my blog the topic of infant male circumcision had drawn a lot of attention but as the number of comments grew on the first thread, the blogger.com program seemed to fail to continue publishing any additional comments. So about 3 years ago, I started a second thread on the topic and that grew to about 60 or so comments. Now for the first time in the past 3 years, there seems to be some interest to continue the discussion with the following 2 postings. I decided to start a current version of the topic with this Chapter 3 thread. Those who want to write on the topic of infant male circumcision should write here. The previous threads are no longer accepting postings. But read them first and if you write, try to present new aspects of the issue that were not presented previously or where new information is available.

The first new posting is from FredR 12-7-2009:

Many people are taught to believe in the living creator of all life, also known as Yahway and Jehova for the Jews and the Christians, Allah for the Islamics, The Heavenly Father, and now the Supreme Singularity for the scientific evolutionists, astronomists, geologists, and biologists. It is illogical to assume that the original Singularity is still in exsistanse, therefore we now have Atheists.
We know that many myths are created out of fear of the unknown, but when factual, logical, scientific data is presented properly these myths can be dispelled. Fear can cause PTSD and prevent new knowledge from being accepted.
What we know about creation for sure is this. In asexual reproduction, one life form that can replicate or reproduce variations of itself, or evolve, or mutate is necessary. In sexual reproduction, this one feminine life form that can reproduce is essential, but the evolution part is provided by the variations of the masculine sex. No known masculine life forms can reproduce without being part feminine in the first place. Therefore it is illogical to presume that the original Creator/Singularity was masculine and is an insult, even blasphemy, to our inteleigence.
So the BIG QUESTION now is, DID this feminine singularity actually speak to Abraham and tell him to cut off his own prepuce and all his male decendance so they can be His chosen race? The logical answer is NO, She did not, would not, and could not say or speak to any one, ever, anywhere. PTSD's and Fear of the unknown, or superstitions prevents people from accepting, or causes denial of this logical fact.
There are known causes of urinary tract infection. In infancy the common causes of UTI in both male and female, is poop from dirty diapers introduces into the uritha, because diapers are unnatural.Infant UTI's are also caused from sexual molestions/surgical woundings. For grown people, UTI's can be caused from drinking bad waters,having sex with animals, anal sex and not cleancing your sex organs before and after sex. UTI's in the elderly are commonly caused from dirty diapers again when we begin to loose control of our bowls with age.
Some UTI's can be deadly, while others can be treated. Left undiagnosed and untreated the toxins build up in our blood and can cause delirium and delusional thoughts with audio and visual halusination.
Abraham, Jesus, and Mohammad all showed signs of PTSD's and UTI's in there lives. Abe and Moe both cut their own prepuce off where as Jesus' prepuce was cut off by the sacrificial law of Abraham's Covenant with his delusional god. PTSD's can also lead to delusional thoughts. The logical conclusion as to why these men thought that the Singularity spoke to them was that Abe and Moe were suffering from untreated UTI's,which most likely left Abe sterile,too, While Jesus suffered the symptoms of PTSD from being sexually mutilated,traumatised, terrorized by the law, as an infant.
While there is lots of denial of the evolved functions of the masculine and feminine prepuce, people whose parents were able to raise there children with healthy prepuces, and people whose parents did not cut all of their childrens prepuce off, will agree that masturbating or playing with the prepuce brings great pleasure.
To avoid causing your children to have their prepuce excised for any reason, knowledge should be shared.


The second was from Bella 12-8-2009

There are many reasons why a man choose to be circumcised. One of them is health. I hope there is someone who can find a new comfort and painless circumcision to be done.

I'll be looking forward toward further discussions. ..Maurice.

Graphic: Photograph Scène de la fr:circoncision de fr:Jésus. fr:Cathédrale de Chartres; source: Wikipedia and modified by me using Picasa3.

14 Comments:

At Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:02:00 PM, Blogger Maurice Bernstein, M.D. said...

For those interested in this subject, you might want to make use of CIRP (Circumcision Information and Resource Pages)documentation library. ..Maurice.

 
At Thursday, December 10, 2009 7:38:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lots of information here also
http://www.circinfo.net

 
At Friday, December 11, 2009 12:16:00 AM, Anonymous Hugh7 said...

circinfo.net is maintained for Prof. Brian Morris, a professor of medical sciences (not a doctor) at Sydney University. He never saw a reason for circumcising he didn't like (including "to prevent 'bathroom splatter'" and "to prevent zipper injuries") and he cherry picks his data shamelessly. He is dismissive of any ethical objections to cutting a normal, healthy, functional, erogenous, non-renewing part of a baby boy's genitals.
Circinfo.org is a much better Australian site.
The Intactivism Pages don't pretend to be "balanced" but as far as possible they back up their claims with references.

Bioethically, non-therapeutic neonatal circumcision is a strange anomaly, the only such operation that is even legal (and non-doctors, in fact anyone, may legally do it - so long as they don't pretend to be a doctor). If it were being proposed today, without its extraordinary cultural baggage, there is no way it would ever be accepted as ethical.

Bella: the rest of the English-speaking world tried circumcision, found it had no health benefits, and has virtually given it up. If men want to cut the best part of their own penises off for any reason or none, that is their absolute right. The ethical issue is with cutting non-consenting people.

Tens of thousands of men are so resentful of having had it done to them that they are taking the considerable trouble of restoring a facsimile of their foreskin, though gentle constant tension over a long period (not "stretching"). That in itself is a strong case against doing it.

 
At Friday, December 11, 2009 4:16:00 PM, Blogger Caroline said...

I would like to share the following info about circumcision from the perspective of some doctors.

doctorsopposingcircumcision.org

"Facing Circumcision: Eight Physicians Tell Their Stories"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CC9Y-Us210

More doctors opposing circumcision in their own words (including Dr. Dean Edell)

http://www.youtube.com/user/Bonobo3D#p/c/BC354EC34E141BD3

 
At Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:02:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

All I can say is I thank my parents every year for having me circumcized. I've seen the many problems you can have if not circumsized. Not too much though because I only know a few guys that aren't cut. I think that's the only time I'm happy that a female nurse put her hands on my privates.

LG

 
At Sunday, December 27, 2009 1:03:00 PM, Blogger Maurice Bernstein, M.D. said...

H85 wrote the following today on the first circumcision thread which has been closed since 2006. The comments are reproduced below. ..Maurice.

What shows up in most anti-circ posts is quite similar and implies that those that have been circed are deficient. The reason this is a faulty reasoning is because the male organ does function well and respond to stimuli well! It has plenty of sensor nerves, some of which are actually better stimulates when superfluous insulating skin is removed. No matter that the sensors removed were largely touch defining sensors (defining where touch occurs).

Most of us that are circumcised enjoy the direct contact without encumberment of redundant skin!
H 85

 
At Saturday, January 09, 2010 5:40:00 PM, Blogger Writers Secret said...

I will never forget my first experience of infant male circumcision as a nursing student. The infant screamed bloody murder. The doctor told us all they had no sensations in the foreskin once it was clamped. Obviously the doctor wasn't conscious of the child's response or means of communicating. The first cut created blood curdling screams. Some 17 years later when I had my son at home...there was no violence against his gender. He was taught to care for it from a hygiene stand point. On another note, when my father needed circumcision due to his inability to retract the foreskin anymore, the result was so unsatisfactory he now has to kneel on the floor to keep from spraying the walls. Rather humiliating for him.

 
At Friday, January 22, 2010 11:56:00 AM, Anonymous circumcision sunshine coast said...

Circumcision is really a choice that needs to be made my the family. Some families believe in circumcision and others do not. Personally, I have seen many problems occur with uncircumcised males, especially hygienic issues. Uncircumcised males really need to care for themselves properly to avoid infection.

 
At Friday, February 05, 2010 10:51:00 AM, Blogger Brett said...

Anyone claiming that a family has a right to mutilate their sons genitals is simply insane. How would you feel if they said that the family has the right to mutilate a girls genitals? Quit being a hypocrite and give infant males the same protection that females get. Girls get UTIs infinitely more frequently than men ever will, do you think we should mutilate them for it? Do you think we should mutilate them instead of educating them about safe sex? No? Then why do you think all of those things should be done to males before they can object? Get your heads out of your asses.

 
At Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone advocating male genital mutilation better also advocate female genital mutilation or you're a sexist moron.

 
At Friday, February 05, 2010 1:00:00 PM, OpenID z726 said...

Responding to the comment from the 2006 thread - this appears to be written by a man who had himself circumcised and prefers it to his previous state. There are those on the internet who would promote circumcision based on their own experiences or even their sexual preferences.

A discussion on bioethics should also include the potential damages that can be caused by the unnecessary surgery in question.

Even in cases where an infant male circumcision is performed without incident (no complication or botched procedure), a man can still face problems when he's older. For example, if enough skin is removed, erections can pull the skin tightly - sometimes to the point of pain. This problem would not be seen in an infant, but rather when a child grows older (in my case, it became apparent when I started my teenage years - I found it bothersome, to say the least). I've also heard older circumcised men complain of a gradual loss in sensitivity of the glans.

 
At Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:59:00 AM, Anonymous Hugh7 said...

@circumcision sunshine coast:

"Circumcision is really a choice that needs to be made my the family."

As someone said (more colourfully than this):

"My family doesn't [urinate] with my [penis]; my family doesn't [masturbate] with my [penis]; my family doesn't [have sexual intercourse] with my [penis], so what [business] does my family have cutting part off of my [penis]?"

 
At Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:49:00 PM, Blogger Maurice Bernstein, M.D. said...

From CNN:The governor of California signed a law today preventing a ban on male circumcision. A San Francisco group tried in July to get a citywide ban added to the November ballot
The new law takes effect immediately.

 
At Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no reason in the U.S. that a male child would ever need circumcision, unless there was a penile deformity at birth, or penile cancer develops in childhood.

Otherwise, antibiotics and washing with soap can solve any infection problems. This is the 21st century, remember?

If there is a slight decrease in the risk of STDs in the adult, let males consent at age 18 to have an adult circumcision with local. This can be accomplished in a few minutes using the disposable devices available today.

Any other answer than the one I've given, promoting child circumcision, has some dark motivation hidden in it.

Anonymous

 

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